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Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?
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Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

If that is true then fair play to them for their professional commitment - the never say die attitude against us at Goldington Road was clear to see and they clearly did well yesterday.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 10:24
If it is true and they cannot take up their place then yes. It would be a sad day for rugby if it is true.

Also 2 down from National 1 and 5 down from National 2 with the best placed 14th palced side staying up and so on down to level 8 where there is no level transfer.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:18
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 12:19
Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.


Share at Otley? Go part time? Who knows? I wish them the best of luck, and a suitable name to go with it.
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Any more room for them in Coventry Kimbo, after all the town has accommodated another side that re-branded itself with a "city" title, then moved when nearly bankrupt, both financially and morally...………………………………..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 14:17
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 14:21
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.


Share at Otley? Go part time? Who knows? I wish them the best of luck, and a suitable name to go with it.
Otley are supposedly moving to a new ground.  The old ground is VERY old now.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 14:28
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.


Share at Otley? Go part time? Who knows? I wish them the best of luck, and a suitable name to go with it.
Otley are supposedly moving to a new ground.  The old ground is VERY old now.
 
But still one of my favourites had some fantastic trips there with Nottingham 
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Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.

This has now been posted on Carnegie's message board
"Rugby times also mentions that, according to accounts published by Companies House, accumulated debts of £2.7M by June 2017 and another £1.7 deficit forecast for 2017/18

It will take someone with deep and very full pockets to take us on!"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 14:43
And that doesn't even allow for any losses from this season, bearing in mind some of the 'squad strengthening' that went on in November/December, these could be quite significant.
Who has been in charge of the purse strings, Nick Leeson?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 15:57
Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by chas chas wrote:

Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Tweet from Carnegie player saying they are all out of a job at the end of April. Would that mean 1 up from Nat 1 and no relegation from the Champ?

Unless YC are bankrupt, they could presumably recruit a new team in the summer (albeit a much cheaper one) and continue in the Championship.

This has now been posted on Carnegie's message board
"Rugby times also mentions that, according to accounts published by Companies House, accumulated debts of £2.7M by June 2017 and another £1.7 deficit forecast for 2017/18

It will take someone with deep and very full pockets to take us on!"

 
One of the major sponsors is the Caddick Group who own the ground along with quite a bit more
https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/celebrity-business/property/paul-caddick-net-worth/
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

And that doesn't even allow for any losses from this season, bearing in mind some of the 'squad strengthening' that went on in November/December, these could be quite significant.
Who has been in charge of the purse strings, Nick Leeson?


No, probably the EU commission!
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Caddick pulled out as a major sponsor several years ago. Carnegie had to pay him back an amount of money that he had put into the club as it was apparently 'a loan'.
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How much money does the RFU give YC?
What is their playing budget for next year?

If YC were insolvent and took a points penalty how much money would they receive from the RFU?
Given the loss of income, could they afford to take up a place in National 1?



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The same as every other championship club. We don't know but sounds like rather less than this season. Who knows but I think we are far more likely to fold than drop through the divisions.
That's easy for you to say.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Richard Lowther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2019 at 23:09
Originally posted by Albert Fishwick Albert Fishwick wrote:

The same as every other championship club. We don't know but sounds like rather less than this season. Who knows but I think we are far more likely to fold than drop through the divisions.


I hope you are wrong. I still wish Wakefield had taken the option to continue and drop if necessary that fold altogether, I wouldn't want another club/supporters to go through the same thing.

What is the relationship like with West Park Leeds these days? Could a merger with them be an option?

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WPL is itself a merger between the former West Park Bramhope and the rump of the amateur club formed when Headingley and Roundhay came together. It runs very well as it is with the mens' 1st XV in Yorkshire 2, two other senior teams, a highly successful womens' team and a flourishing junior and mini setup. You would struggle to shoehorn any more rugby on there despite its several pitches.

The point is, however, and in my humble opinion, that there is little clamour for a semi-professional or amateur team operating further down the leagues. There are already plenty of others nearby for those floating supporters, most with a much longer history and more settled status than the current Yorkshire Carnegie. It's more than 20 years since the Headingley name disappeared and must be getting on for 10 or more for Roundhay. Some old alickadoos and supporters have found a home at West Park but many are now, sadly, no longer with us.

It was a really exciting undertaking in the early years, beating Leicester several times, finishing sixth, travelling around Europe and, famously, beating Bath at HQ. Unlike some, I don't blame Caddick for deciding he'd had enough. He managed to lasso Leeds Met as it then was to help out with the finances but never got any other sizeable investors. The current crop have seemingly done as much as they are prepared to. It just shows that you need extremely deep pockets over many years and a good dollop of luck too.

The big imponderable for is the academy. It's never been clear to me how it's funded and whether it could simply be uprooted and installed at Donny, for example. Given that there is a good setup at Kirkstall perhaps it could stay there, alongside the Rhinos, feeding the other senior clubs in the county.
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One can only hope that whatever is going to happen with YC it is clear well before the start of next season. Either they can afford/wish to seek to compete in the Championship or they cannot. The RFU cannot possibly believe it is good for the game, or for the top league under their control, that we go through another London Welsh scenario where halfway/two thirds of the way through a season players find they have no jobs/club, fixtures are cancelled and the integrity of the league is called into question with relegation being cancelled. Why not let the Academy players go and play adult rugby at one of the many other clubs on offer and see just how good they are? London Welsh accepted their fate, dropped down the levels, and by all accounts have a terrific, thriving rugby club again-perhaps YC should revert to the name Leeds Rugby club and do likewise.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Mar 2019 at 08:53
The difference being that London Welsh still had a ground to call their own.

Current best guess is that unless we pack up in the next few weeks we will go forward with a much reduced budget for next season. Some of the recent acquisitions are contracted through to the end of next season, then we have academy players and can potentially call on the best students. Hardly ideal, to be sure.
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