National League Rugby Discussion Forums Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > League Rugby - www.leaguerugby.co.uk > Clubhouse chat
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Will England never learn or are they just arrogant
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

IMPORTANT Remember to read the rules of the board and abide by them when posting.

Will England never learn or are they just arrogant

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 7>
Author
Message
No 7 View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 10 Oct 2011
Location: LONDON
Status: Offline
Points: 1423
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 08:34
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

England like their head coach simply have no class.


Where the Welsh just exude class throughout !LOL

Where does Wales come into it? Certainly not from me as I'm English.

Do tell.

We have had England teams and head coaches who have specialised in being being magnanimous in defeat. Eddie Jones comments can be ridiculous but they are mixed in with an over confidence  and belief in the squad and their ability to win games.


There are arrogant ( and lacking class ) people in all international squads and there have been some stand out examples. Often the comments of a few people, and it is the controversial comments that get printed are interpreted as the attitude of the entire squad and support staff.

Most international squads are told , warned to stay off social media and told exactly what say if confronted by the press. Obviously the newspaper reporters are searching for something that  is different from the spew  of rehea rsed replies.

My all time winner would be another Aussie David Campese. 


Edited by No 7 - 06 Feb 2021 at 08:43
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
Back to Top
Bigmal View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 17 Nov 2013
Location: BRISTOL
Status: Offline
Points: 1455
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 18:36
Now you have an answer- well played Sco v poor England.
Back to Top
kingsheathlad View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: Haselor.
Status: Offline
Points: 2166
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 18:41
Agree, well deserved, too much kicking again, no flair. 
Cauliflower ear
Back to Top
Rucking Idiot View Drop Down
First XV regular
First XV regular
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jun 2016
Location: Sidcup
Status: Offline
Points: 134
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rucking Idiot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 18:45
Based on that performance there will be only one English Lion - The song "One wheel on my wagon" comes to mind;
Well played Scotland ClapClapClap
If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck it's just my rucking luck!
Back to Top
MikeGC View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 04 Oct 2014
Location: Burnage
Status: Offline
Points: 436
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 18:55
England dire
Scotland on fire
as much as it pains me to say this - well done Scotland.

Edited by MikeGC - 06 Feb 2021 at 18:56
Back to Top
Thatbloke View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 02 Sep 2017
Location: Newport
Status: Offline
Points: 954
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 20:22
Agreed Scotland played out of their skins but when you're not winning any ball why oh why do we hoof it up in the air or option 2 fire it down the throat of the best running full back in the world. Anyway I'm sure Eddie's right these tactics will lead to world domination pretty soon
Back to Top
Exiled_Scots View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar
London Scottish

Joined: 18 Aug 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 2546
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Exiled_Scots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 20:24
Yes Eddie clearly struggles with the top international teams and has only achieved a 50% success rate against the All Blacks, South Africa and Scotland. LOL
Watch Out - The Scottish Phoenix Club is on the Up!!

Seven down one to go
Back to Top
Camquin View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Location: Cambridge
Status: Offline
Points: 7338
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 21:04
15 penalties and 27 missed tackles and kicking away the ball far far too often.
Blood and Sand
Back to Top
Sid James View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 28 Jun 2013
Location: East Yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 1322
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Feb 2021 at 22:07
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

15 penalties and 27 missed tackles and kicking away the ball far far too often.

England were rubbish by their own standards.
Well played Scotland but lets keep this real. The Scots had all the ball, they were on the right side of a big penalty count, half the regular England side were missing and, Scotland could still only win by less than a converted try. Do they need it on a plate?
A five point win against that team performance does not suggest to me that Scotland are "on fire".
I am only glad that England were not playing France or Ireland as they would have lost by 25 points.

Warren Gatland was in the Stand. IMO, on that performance, the only player 'inked in' for the Lions would be Itoje.


Edited by Sid James - 06 Feb 2021 at 22:08
All Knwoing All Seeing
Back to Top
Bigmal View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 17 Nov 2013
Location: BRISTOL
Status: Offline
Points: 1455
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 10:01
Careful analysis of the England structure and the way players have/ have not performed during the pandemic is needed.

There is no doubt that you need to play regularly at a high level to be ready to perform at the next level. Too many of Englands players were obviously rusty whereas Scotlands squad were focussed and match fit..

If your tactic is to kick the nas a team you need to press as a unit. Likewise if you target the opposing scrum half then you need players going forward to feed off the mistakes. Had Itoje had a player to offload to when he charged down the first of Prices kicks it could have been a different story.

I'm not sure who coaches Eng defensively but the failure to secure Shaun E seems even more stupid to me.

Eddie is overly protective of Owen F and Billy V in particular. He could have tried something different as France did last season.

Our failure to identify and fast track new international class scrum halves is a black mark against the coaching team. Youngs wasnt great and I dont think Robsonnhas it at this level.

The line out was poor - I know conditions weren't great but Scotland managed.

We knew Scotland had improved in the tight - did we not practice scrummaging and why are we allowing international squad members to dictate when they play?

England performed badly and the coach needs to take responsibility. OK so it was 11-6 but did England really look like scoring a try wheres Scotland could easily have scored on at leastv3 other occasions.


I really think that Eddie has been given an extension too many but time will tell. The majority of the reporters in The Times yesterday had England as 6N winners.Im guessing they are feeling a bit stupid this am?
Back to Top
Thames Estuary Man View Drop Down
British and Irish Lion
British and Irish Lion
Avatar

Joined: 20 Feb 2017
Location: Essex
Status: Offline
Points: 189
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thames Estuary Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 11:52
England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 
Back to Top
isleonian View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 08 Mar 2014
Location: south yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 893
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote isleonian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 11:54
After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?
Back to Top
islander View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Location: jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 5201
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 13:16
Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 

agree - still winnable. In round 1 last year England snatched a BP at the death v France and that ended up enabling us to take the title in round 5. Yesterday's BP was even less-deserved after an abject display, but it may still count...
Back to Top
French Connection View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2017
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 453
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote French Connection Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 13:22
Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?

Anthony Watson and Jonny May are world class finishers and you simply cannot judge them on a game when they hardly receive a pass at all - never mind one in a good attacking position.
Back to Top
Welshie7 View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 14 Jul 2013
Location: Oxford
Status: Offline
Points: 350
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Welshie7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 13:33
Wow.....just wow!

A game lost against a Scotland team that rode its luck a little, during a pandemic and therefore restrictions on training etc, and you guys want the most successful England coach (% wins) sacked!

Incredible.....are you same people who wanted him sacked after game 1 of the 2020 6N? How did the table end up?


Edited by Welshie7 - 07 Feb 2021 at 13:33
Back to Top
corporalcarrot View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 22 Sep 2013
Location: St Ouen
Status: Online
Points: 3495
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 13:43
Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?
IMO not many players from either side's back lines advanced their case for Lions selection particularly the half backs who all had indifferent matches. The French half backs in the earlier match looked in a different class.
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
Back to Top
Sid James View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 28 Jun 2013
Location: East Yorkshire
Status: Offline
Points: 1322
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 14:32
Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?

Anthony Watson and Jonny May are world class finishers and you simply cannot judge them on a game when they hardly receive a pass at all - never mind one in a good attacking position.

I agree. H
Also, how you can take Watson off and leave Daly on is beyond me.
And poor Lawrence in the centre. I hardly heard his name and then they took him off.
All Knwoing All Seeing
Back to Top
kingsheathlad View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 15 Jan 2010
Location: Haselor.
Status: Offline
Points: 2166
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 14:33
Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 

 
Even without crowds, games against Wales and Ireland away will be tough and then France at home. 
Fingers crossed, we can only get better one hopes. 
Cauliflower ear
Back to Top
MikeGC View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner
Avatar

Joined: 04 Oct 2014
Location: Burnage
Status: Offline
Points: 436
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeGC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 15:46
A little humour found on social media

Police in London have launched a major investigation after 15 young and inexperienced men were subject to a terrifying ordeal whilst out for a gentle kick about in the park.
One shocked victim said 'It started in the 1st minute when they took the ball from us and wouldn't give us it back."
Police said the culprits were all Scottish, dressed in blue and showed no regard to the emotional impact on their victims who were subjected to 80 minutes of physical and mental abuse.
Witnesses are requested to phone Crimestoppers anonymously at the earliest opportunity.
Back to Top
Bigmal View Drop Down
World Cup Winner
World Cup Winner


Joined: 17 Nov 2013
Location: BRISTOL
Status: Offline
Points: 1455
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Feb 2021 at 16:21
Great intervention Mike.

Not sure everyone calling for EJ to be sacked merely questioning his selection/ coaching which is fair enough.

Donr forget this thread resulted from players gobbling off before the match ..
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234 7>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.