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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

England like their head coach simply have no class.


Where the Welsh just exude class throughout !LOL

Where does Wales come into it? Certainly not from me as I'm English.

Do tell.

We have had England teams and head coaches who have specialised in being being magnanimous in defeat. Eddie Jones comments can be ridiculous but they are mixed in with an over confidence  and belief in the squad and their ability to win games.


There are arrogant ( and lacking class ) people in all international squads and there have been some stand out examples. Often the comments of a few people, and it is the controversial comments that get printed are interpreted as the attitude of the entire squad and support staff.

Most international squads are told , warned to stay off social media and told exactly what say if confronted by the press. Obviously the newspaper reporters are searching for something that  is different from the spew  of rehea rsed replies.

My all time winner would be another Aussie David Campese. 


Edited by No 7 - 06 Feb 2021 at 08:43
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Now you have an answer- well played Sco v poor England.
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Agree, well deserved, too much kicking again, no flair. 
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Based on that performance there will be only one English Lion - The song "One wheel on my wagon" comes to mind;
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England dire
Scotland on fire
as much as it pains me to say this - well done Scotland.

Edited by MikeGC - 06 Feb 2021 at 18:56
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Agreed Scotland played out of their skins but when you're not winning any ball why oh why do we hoof it up in the air or option 2 fire it down the throat of the best running full back in the world. Anyway I'm sure Eddie's right these tactics will lead to world domination pretty soon
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Yes Eddie clearly struggles with the top international teams and has only achieved a 50% success rate against the All Blacks, South Africa and Scotland. LOL
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15 penalties and 27 missed tackles and kicking away the ball far far too often.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

15 penalties and 27 missed tackles and kicking away the ball far far too often.

England were rubbish by their own standards.
Well played Scotland but lets keep this real. The Scots had all the ball, they were on the right side of a big penalty count, half the regular England side were missing and, Scotland could still only win by less than a converted try. Do they need it on a plate?
A five point win against that team performance does not suggest to me that Scotland are "on fire".
I am only glad that England were not playing France or Ireland as they would have lost by 25 points.

Warren Gatland was in the Stand. IMO, on that performance, the only player 'inked in' for the Lions would be Itoje.


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Careful analysis of the England structure and the way players have/ have not performed during the pandemic is needed.

There is no doubt that you need to play regularly at a high level to be ready to perform at the next level. Too many of Englands players were obviously rusty whereas Scotlands squad were focussed and match fit..

If your tactic is to kick the nas a team you need to press as a unit. Likewise if you target the opposing scrum half then you need players going forward to feed off the mistakes. Had Itoje had a player to offload to when he charged down the first of Prices kicks it could have been a different story.

I'm not sure who coaches Eng defensively but the failure to secure Shaun E seems even more stupid to me.

Eddie is overly protective of Owen F and Billy V in particular. He could have tried something different as France did last season.

Our failure to identify and fast track new international class scrum halves is a black mark against the coaching team. Youngs wasnt great and I dont think Robsonnhas it at this level.

The line out was poor - I know conditions weren't great but Scotland managed.

We knew Scotland had improved in the tight - did we not practice scrummaging and why are we allowing international squad members to dictate when they play?

England performed badly and the coach needs to take responsibility. OK so it was 11-6 but did England really look like scoring a try wheres Scotland could easily have scored on at leastv3 other occasions.


I really think that Eddie has been given an extension too many but time will tell. The majority of the reporters in The Times yesterday had England as 6N winners.Im guessing they are feeling a bit stupid this am?
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England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 
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After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?
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Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 

agree - still winnable. In round 1 last year England snatched a BP at the death v France and that ended up enabling us to take the title in round 5. Yesterday's BP was even less-deserved after an abject display, but it may still count...
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Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?

Anthony Watson and Jonny May are world class finishers and you simply cannot judge them on a game when they hardly receive a pass at all - never mind one in a good attacking position.
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Wow.....just wow!

A game lost against a Scotland team that rode its luck a little, during a pandemic and therefore restrictions on training etc, and you guys want the most successful England coach (% wins) sacked!

Incredible.....are you same people who wanted him sacked after game 1 of the 2020 6N? How did the table end up?


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Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?
IMO not many players from either side's back lines advanced their case for Lions selection particularly the half backs who all had indifferent matches. The French half backs in the earlier match looked in a different class.
Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

After that performance only Itoje seems good enough to be a Lion?

Anthony Watson and Jonny May are world class finishers and you simply cannot judge them on a game when they hardly receive a pass at all - never mind one in a good attacking position.

I agree. H
Also, how you can take Watson off and leave Daly on is beyond me.
And poor Lawrence in the centre. I hardly heard his name and then they took him off.
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Originally posted by Thames Estuary Man Thames Estuary Man wrote:

England can still win the 6N. Easier match against Italy next to regroup then they will need three more good wins. 

 
Even without crowds, games against Wales and Ireland away will be tough and then France at home. 
Fingers crossed, we can only get better one hopes. 
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A little humour found on social media

Police in London have launched a major investigation after 15 young and inexperienced men were subject to a terrifying ordeal whilst out for a gentle kick about in the park.
One shocked victim said 'It started in the 1st minute when they took the ball from us and wouldn't give us it back."
Police said the culprits were all Scottish, dressed in blue and showed no regard to the emotional impact on their victims who were subjected to 80 minutes of physical and mental abuse.
Witnesses are requested to phone Crimestoppers anonymously at the earliest opportunity.
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Great intervention Mike.

Not sure everyone calling for EJ to be sacked merely questioning his selection/ coaching which is fair enough.

Donr forget this thread resulted from players gobbling off before the match ..
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