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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2018 at 18:38
Yes if you accept a cap from England, England 7s or the official second XV - Saxons  - you are captured for life and cannot play for another senior xv.

Note even if you just sit on the bench and do not get on, you are still captured.

The list of official second XVs is here.
Not sure how long it has been there though.


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Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.


I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2018 at 21:35
Unless SRU get their way and he has a great Scottish one.
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Rhodesia ceased to exist in the 1970's - I assume you are an expat

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 2018 at 12:04
Harare (Salisbury) or Bulawayo districts?

and Correction 1980 officially 
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Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Blub Blub wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:


Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.


I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.

I disagree. It means the player has to make a decision and stick with it. To have players chopping and changing countries makes a mockery of international teams. You may as well do away with International sides and just replace them with clubs.....something some Premiership teams would love to happen. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2018 at 13:51
Anyway - back to Rugby Hong Kong pla South Korea tomorrow.
Having lost at home, South Korea need a 5-0 victory to progress.

Winner plays Cook islands for a place in the Repecharge.

Germany host Portugal on the 16th and the Africa Gold Cup (which doubles as qualification) kicks off on the same day.

Hopefully we will be talking rugby and not player eligibility.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2018 at 13:26
Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Blub Blub wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:


Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.


I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.

I disagree. It means the player has to make a decision and stick with it. To have players chopping and changing countries makes a mockery of international teams. You may as well do away with International sides and just replace them with clubs.....something some Premiership teams would love to happen. 

Totally agree. Playing for your country should mean something and shouldn't just be playing for a country that is prepared to give you a cap.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Count Ford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2018 at 17:58
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Blub Blub wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:


Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.



I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.


I disagree. It means the player has to make a decision and stick with it. To have players chopping and changing countries makes a mockery of international teams. You may as well do away with International sides and just replace them with clubs.....something some Premiership teams would love to happen. 


Totally agree. Playing for your country should mean something and shouldn't just be playing for a country that is prepared to give you a cap.


I would agree, but ONLY if the big teams are stopped from sweeping up players from around the world through the residency ruling.

If players genuinely are eligible (strict birth or parents criteria) to play for more than one country I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so..with the proviso of a couple of years break between countries to ensure fairness
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WEvans Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 11:50
Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Blub Blub wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:


Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.



I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.


I disagree. It means the player has to make a decision and stick with it. To have players chopping and changing countries makes a mockery of international teams. You may as well do away with International sides and just replace them with clubs.....something some Premiership teams would love to happen. 


Totally agree. Playing for your country should mean something and shouldn't just be playing for a country that is prepared to give you a cap.


I would agree, but ONLY if the big teams are stopped from sweeping up players from around the world through the residency ruling.

If players genuinely are eligible (strict birth or parents criteria) to play for more than one country I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so..with the proviso of a couple of years break between countries to ensure fairness

Then you don't agree with me!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Count Ford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 18:00
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:

Originally posted by Blub Blub wrote:

Originally posted by Count Ford Count Ford wrote:


Lets take Cameron Redpath. Say England cap him for 30 secs then discard him never to be seen again. For the rest of his career he is ineligible for competing for Scotland.


Appreciate that you used Cameron Redpath simply as a hypothetical example, but i do think that we'll see a lot of him in an England shirt.  Not necessarily this summer, but certainly in the future.



I agree and hope Cameron goes on to have a successful England career. It just seems crazy that you can spend 2 or is it 3 years in a country and suddenly you can play for that country under residence, but get one cap for a country and you are forbidden for your whole career from ever representing another that you may have been born in/have parents from.


I disagree. It means the player has to make a decision and stick with it. To have players chopping and changing countries makes a mockery of international teams. You may as well do away with International sides and just replace them with clubs.....something some Premiership teams would love to happen. 


Totally agree. Playing for your country should mean something and shouldn't just be playing for a country that is prepared to give you a cap.


I would agree, but ONLY if the big teams are stopped from sweeping up players from around the world through the residency ruling.

If players genuinely are eligible (strict birth or parents criteria) to play for more than one country I don't see why they should be stopped from doing so..with the proviso of a couple of years break between countries to ensure fairness


Then you don't agree with me!


fair enough...but the current system clearly needs looking at. Very clearly favours the 'big countries'
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Agreed, for years New Zealand and Australia have plundered the south sea islands for physical players to boost their national teams, exploiting the lack of money available to pay players in those nations.

Now we have South Africans being targeted by the Scots, eventually qualifying through residency.

The whole system is a farce.

Why can you qualify via Grandparents? Should be restricted to Parents nationality.
Make the residency period 10 years to solve those moving to earn caps, this would still allow youngsters who move to other countries to qualify before they are too old.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2018 at 19:06
As you say Raider999 England have never worked this to their advantage😂😂
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Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

As you say Raider999 England have never worked this to their advantage😂😂


I didn't say they haven't, however we are still playing catch-up in this respect.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Agreed, for years New Zealand and Australia have plundered the south sea islands for physical players to boost their national teams, exploiting the lack of money available to pay players in those nations.

This is a myth perpetuated by lazy journalists over the years. The facts tell a different story.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Agreed, for years New Zealand and Australia have plundered the south sea islands for physical players to boost their national teams, exploiting the lack of money available to pay players in those nations.


This is a myth perpetuated by lazy journalists over the years. The facts tell a different story.


A well founded 'myth' - just wart he'd last weeks Super Rugby match - Queensland Reds only had 1 or 2 Australian names in their starting 15 - rest were of south sea island origin
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pistacio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 07:57
Jacques Le Roux and Francisco Vieira ( still at Rotherham? i don't know)  in the match day squad for Portugal v Germany. Not sure on German squad yet but could feature Preocanin. 
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Agreed, for years New Zealand and Australia have plundered the south sea islands for physical players to boost their national teams, exploiting the lack of money available to pay players in those nations.


This is a myth perpetuated by lazy journalists over the years. The facts tell a different story.


A well founded 'myth' - just wart he'd last weeks Super Rugby match - Queensland Reds only had 1 or 2 Australian names in their starting 15 - rest were of south sea island origin

I didn't realise Queensland Reds were a "national" team.

And what exactly is an "Australian name"?
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Speaking as a Cultural Geographer, an "Australian name" would have to be one of Aboriginal/Torres Strait Island descent. Given the names of several "Australian" sporting stars also comprise Tomic, Kyrgios, Kokkinakis, Gavrilova and Tomljanovic, the mind boggles what was meant by the comment an "Australian name".

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