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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 22:28
Taking two fly halves was totally wrong.Hogg was out his depth and didn't know how to control the game. Flood and Burns must be thinking what have we done wrong?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 23:37
Quite right Tulip. Don't get me started on the Youngs brothers! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jun 2013 at 23:43
All the three quarters were fresh off the plane.
Kearney was just back from injury
Hogg was out of position.

Youngs' pass is not the fastest he looks good behind a good pack and did not have one on the day.

Add a hooker who cannot throw - given they do not hook what else do they need to practice. That caused the line out to fail.


One has to wonder if they should have taken more cover in the backs.

This was the best opposition they have faced and the worst Lions side - the result was inevitable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 10:29
Hook, Burns, Wilko, Flood.......who else should be out there?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 16:05
Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Jenkins was specifically released by Toulon before the Top 14 semis and was deemed to be a Cardiff player.


You are determined to spin it into a conspiracy aren't you? It was made clear that Jenkins wouldn't be involved in the sharp end of the Top 14 - hence his availability. If Jenkins was only included thanks to his return to Cardiff, how do you explain Mike Phillips' inclusion which you chose to ignore?

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Gatland has been calling up players from Japan and from holidaying in the USA,so the shortsighted exclusion of Sheridan, Armitage etc still seems irrational .


Steve@Mose has given you a second reason for Sheridan's exclusion, but you appear to have ignored this too. What are you suggesting should have happened to Armitage, if you're suggesting that someone who has been a long time in the international wilderness and has played full back all season should have been flown half way around the world at short notice as wing cover in preference to a current international and AP player of the season (Wade) and another current international and potential bolter (Zebo), both of whom were in closer time zones, fair enough, I'll respectfully disagree. If you're suggesting that he could have got out to Oz, trained with the team and been fit to play in the time scale Williams had, fair enough, I'll respectfully ask what you're smoking and where I can get some!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 18:48
The obvious thing is to take at least 45 players, 3 for each position - then still have plenty when injuries hit.

As for agreeing to play Brumbies on the Tues before 1st test - this was a major error, Brumbies being the best of the Aussie sides and Lions best 15 always going to be rested.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2013 at 19:02
Didn't Woodward try the big squad idea and the many players nowhere near a test place didn't appreciate it at all IIRC.

Seems a very short tour this time round though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2013 at 02:00
Originally posted by hammer hammer wrote:

Didn't Woodward try the big squad idea and the many players nowhere near a test place didn't appreciate it at all IIRC.


My first thought exactly when I read Raider999's post, Woodward is still mocked for making that decision. Ignoring that, the "magic" 3 * 15 formula ignores the fact that positions like 4/5 and 11/14 can cover each other easily enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 2013 at 16:32
As one of Farrell's previous knockers I have to concede he played brilliantly today.Well done.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 07:57
He played extremely well. Having shown that he can play that way effectively it makes you wonder what instructions he's been getting off his coaches previously!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 08:37
Agreed it was the best game I've seen him play for anyone so it does make you wonder what he has been told at his club or England. He's still not my idea of a 10 as he doesn't pose any threat  but you can't knock his goal kicking and he kept his temper in check and got on with the job.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 11:15
Hopefully this will be a turning point for him and he can start to expand his game. We always seem to forget how young he still is!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 13:33
Agreed again.
Whilst players can always get better,  the margin of it shouldn't be leaps and bounds at these levels.
Using England & The Lions as development tools is ridiculous. The finished article should be in these sides not someone still learning a position. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 13:37
Yes, but name a finished article that isn't already over the hill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2013 at 21:02
So who would you have taken as a better no 10 ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:57
Included in thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 09:59
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

No I think Jonny Wilkinson ticked all the boxes as I think Cipriani does. It's just his immaturity off field which precludes him at the minute.
Farell at the minute is a very ordinary Fly half.
Quade Cooper ,has he got magic but he is not in the Aussies squad.

Took a bit of stick for what I said about Cipriani from boozy blue Raider999 and Halliford in June.
I'm glad Sir Clive Woodward agrees with me.Quote from today's Daily Mail.
"Danny Cipriani is the only England player who has got me on the edge of my seat in the past decade.
He has the X factor in abundance-pace,skills,an unpredictable edge and the ability to make things happen.
He is England's answer to Quade Cooper."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:19
Th combination of Sir Clive Woodward and the Daily Mail definitely means it's a hoax! Anyway he hasn't been involved in rugby for years!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:21
Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

...Anyway he hasn't been involved in rugby for years!
Who, Woodward or Cipriani? Wink
Don’t sweat the petty things, and don’t pet the sweaty things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Nov 2013 at 11:30
Originally posted by Coldwarwarrior Coldwarwarrior wrote:

Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

...Anyway he hasn't been involved in rugby for years!
Who, Woodward or Cipriani? Wink

Woodward! I believe Cipriani is occasionally allowed to play for Sale when Steve Diamond's back is turned!
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