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    Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 13:28
An interesting development this week is that Yorkshire RFU are insisting that Hull Ionains fulfill the Yorks Cup match against Wheatley Hills this Saturday despite Hull I's also being involved in a N2N league match, the local derby with Hull.
Hull I's are sending the 2ndXV to Wheatley Hills in order for the match to take place but this is less than ideal and not how we would wish to approach our Yorks Cup commitments this season. I note that Wheatley's web-site has them playing both Hull I's and Northern, in a league match, this weekend?
 
I note that Bradford & Bingley were also due to play Cleckheaton in the Yorks Cup tomorrow despite it being a league weekend. B&B have called off through Front-row unavailability. The Yorks Cup competition organiser has accused B&B of giving the Yorks Cup "low priority" and not made any reference to how hard B&B have tried to raise a team to fulfill a home fixture that would have brought revenue to the Club. B&B asked Yorks RFU if they can postpone and re-arrange but Yorks RFU said no as they did not want to set a precedent. How short sighted can you be?
 
I would say to the Yorks Cup competition organiser and the Yorks RFU, is there any wonder that the Yorks Cup has lost it's status & prestige amongst competing Clubs when you make such decisions as we see this weekend.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 14:02
I understand the northern game was postponed from last week (next available free weekend) however why have Yorkshire timetabled the second round game in a league weekend for N2N - barking!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 14:47
What total nonsense!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 14:58

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 15:22
2 simultaneous games for the price of 1, can't be bad!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 16:18
Don't worry, 

I'm sure the Yorkshire Cup committee truly believe that everything will be alright just as soon as there's a salary cap in place...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 16:36
Otley reached the semi final last year without playing a match .
They received 2 w/o .
So lets be fair it is getting marginally better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 16:44
Why not give the clubs the option of playing these fixtures on Boxing Day or 27th? It seems that Boxing Day fixtures are not as common as they used to be which is a real shame. I know club staff and committees need time off too but I'm sure the revenue of such a match could be significant, and they would be true derbies too....just a thought!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 17:50
Well said whenever it is organized but to have it on a league weekend just about sums up what Yorkshire Rfu input into the game! (Still in the dark ages).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 18:03
And the competitions secretary is an East Riding man Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 18:50
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

And the competitions secretary is an East Riding man Clown

Oh! So now he is a Humberside man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 2014 at 20:53
If he makes decisions like this he could be a wessy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 21:31
We were joined at our per match lunch today by the Yorks RFU President and very welcome he was.
Unfortunately he could throw no light on why his YRFU competitions official was acting in such a ridiculous manner but he was not surprised.
Shame on Yorks RFU.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2014 at 21:43
Lancashire decided to just scrap it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 00:28
Originally posted by Monkey Boy Monkey Boy wrote:

Lancashire decided to just scrap it

And probably quite  right to. There are only four clubs who would be interested, and all four of them would probably only play their 2nd XV's until the final.It is, to my limited thinking, very sad that clubs below Fylde, Segdley, Preston and to a lesser extent Liverpool St. Helens do no wish to test themselves against the so called 'professional ' clubs in the county. And yet . this is the county
that has won the County Championship more that most, and certainly in the past few years.

I know for a fact that level 5 clubs in the north west were offered pre-season games against my club but we were refused because of the gulf between the leagues. The general comment was that we will play your 2nd XV but no way will we take on the 1st XV. If this is the mentality of the clubs in Lancashire then we don't deserve a cup competitioin


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 2014 at 14:52
Interesting point about friendly games pre -season but given that S'port were crushed by SP early in the season hardly surprising. From what I have seen the gulf between levels 4 and 5 is growing and I think we could see clubs being reluctant to accept promotion if they do not have the financial clout and/or DR arrangements that currently favour certain sides.

The county cup competitions used to offer a chance of glory but since the introduction of leagues have ( like the FA Cup in soccer)become of secondary importance. Cheshire, although hardly the most innovative of counties, appears to have found a model which works without impacting upon the various leagues - given the proud history of the Yorkshire Cup in particular it seems a shame to create problems when a bit of lateral thinking could identify a solution.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 11:18
I believe in Leicestershire, Loughborough Students and the Lions do not take part in the County Cup for this very reason. Though in my day the County Cup was easier to arrange as we didn't have a league to play in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 12:07
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

Cheshire, although hardly the most innovative of counties, appears to have found a model which works without impacting upon the various leagues ...
 
Interesting point bearing in mind previous comments on RM regarding the Cheshire Cup.
 
I believe they are increasingly anachronistic as Clubs focus more on the leagues (...and the actions of a couple of Cheshire Clubs in recent seasons appears to bear this out). I can see many other counties following Lancashires lead and cancelling their comp (particularly if the restructure of the leagues and a new RFU Cup competition are instigated). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 13:32
Originally posted by Fat Albert Fat Albert wrote:

Don't worry, 

I'm sure the Yorkshire Cup committee truly believe that everything will be alright just as soon as there's a salary cap in place...
 
It's not the salary cap that's the issue with Yorkshire RFU, it is more the 'flat cap' attitude of those who hold official positions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 2014 at 13:53
The league restructure and new RFU Cup competition will make it more problematic to fit County Cups in as ironically the new structure reduces the number of available Saturdays in the structured season at levels 5 and below (because no one can be certain if they will be in the latter stages of the Cups or not).

I think it would be a shame to lose them as any cup competition provides a different challenge and we have had some great East Midlands Cup encounters in recent years.

But competitions have to adapt to circumstances and the East Midlands organisers changed things a few years ago to reduce the number of matches and be as flexible as possible with timings. Seems like Yorkshire are cutting off their nose to spite their face with an unnecessary inflexible attitude.
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