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    Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 17:40
According to the Yorkshire Post Yorkshire Carnegie have announced to the players today they will be going part time next season. The article states they have a playing budget of £2.3 million, behind only L Irish and Ealing. What on earth have they been doing with that money to be bottom of the Championship at Christmas and only now climbing the table by going further into debt by bringing in a load of overseas players in January? Article also states shareholders still have ambition of Premiership rugby. Fly might pigs-re-arrange.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/yorkshire-carnegie-to-go-part-time-as-cost-of-chasing-the-premiership-dream-proves-too-much-1-9701384

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rabbie Burns Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 18:32
£2.3 million, that will be some amount of part time wonga for the players, will they also be pay per play contracts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote knightandday Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 19:05
Originally posted by Rabbie Burns Rabbie Burns wrote:

£2.3 million, that will be some amount of part time wonga for the players, will they also be pay per play contracts

Reading the article it states THIS year was £2.3M, of which £1.6M was from shareholders, that won't be available next year. If that is all the funding next year it leaves a budget of £0.7M. Not happy reading for the Leeds supporters
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 19:22
Hopefully the Board who organised this farce will resign
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote backrowb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 19:22
And it's not like they can do a Hartpury and borrow players from 3 local Prem clubs.
A large portion of that new budget will go on rental at Headingley.... Or will they leave

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Truth is you'll never convert Yorkshire from League to Union - same could be said for Lancashire & Cumbria - you've got to go down to Nat2(North) to find any RU clubs there (Fylde & Hoppers who are traditional RU hotspots any way)
Don't forget Sharks, Sale FC N1 (although Sth Manchester are still Cheshire) as are Caldy N1 so no real surprise for me apart from the question of how Carnegie or whatever they call themselves these days have managed to waste so much money
When the moneymen get fed up of funding mediocrity you're soon on the slippery slope!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Silverfish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 19:50
They still have to figure out paying the players they brought over who will be there next year if they are contracted for 2 seasons ?? Where is that money coming from as 700k in the Championship will not go far enough !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 20:23
I guess we're not privy to how long these players have been contracted for but like in any business you don't wake up one morning and realise you're suddenly losing a shed load of money
If the board was aware of that then why bring over some big money players to keep you in the Championship knowing your're going to struggle the following season - makes no sense (unless of course they're looking to attract an unsuspecting and naive buyer?) - inept management again? Nothing new!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 20:53
All that rent they have to pay to the lesser code Rhinos probably will still suck up much of the money.
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https://www.yorkshirecarnegie.com/news/article/yorkshire-carnegie-club-statement/
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Truth is you'll never convert Yorkshire from League to Union - same could be said for Lancashire & Cumbria - you've got to go down to Nat2(North) to find any RU clubs there (Fylde & Hoppers who are traditional RU hotspots any way)
Don't forget Sharks, Sale FC N1 (although Sth Manchester are still Cheshire) as are Caldy N1 so no real surprise for me apart from the question of how Carnegie or whatever they call themselves these days have managed to waste so much money
When the moneymen get fed up of funding mediocrity you're soon on the slippery slope!


Traditional RU hotspots? Are you joking? Preston is a football town! Plus there are 8 pro football clubs in Lancashire before you even get to the big Premier League clubs in Manchester & Liverpool and a further 4 pro clubs in those areas. So 16 in a travelling area of an hour. It’s a football area, always has been. Add in all the Super League clubs and a pro union team stands little chance as evidenced by crowds of 5k at Sale.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 22:25
Sorry Hopping I wasn't trying to compare your area with football but with rugby league!
Compared with the Mid-Lancs/Nth Cheshire region (Wigan, St.Helens, Warrington, Salford, Leigh, Widnes etc etc) where there is literally a RL club on every street corner I'm afraid Preston and the Fylde coast are most definitely in my opinion RU hotspots compared to the area above well fed by some excellent RU playing schools (Kirkham Grammar for example)

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Leeds have been paying £400,000 a year to play at the Headingley Stadium. It's to be hoped that this amount is cut or they must surely have to move. The seven players they signed to help them climb the table have done a good job, but they will be on very good salaries, so can Leeds afford to retain them. In the Rugby Paper a few weeks ago it said that these players were the only ones currently signed for next season, and their salaries alone would take up nearly half of next season's budget. They will need a minimum of 25 other players, but what sort of Money / Jobs can they offer these part-time players.
I live in Leeds but have no love for the Club; I'm a Titans supporter; but I wouldn't like to see them fail.
Over the next couple of seasons just about every Club in the Championship, other than Irish, will be part time. Sad but true, but some Clubs will keep chasing the impossible dream until either reality kicks in or the money has dried up.
As a Titan we enjoyed 22 seasons in the top two leagues chasing the dream, but over the last three seasons in the Championship that dream turned into a nightmare. In those last three seasons we Won just 14 games in total. This season in Nat One we have already Won 16 games.
We have watched some very good open Rugby and the feel good factor has returned.
Relegation has been a blessing for us.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 08:38
Originally posted by JonDee JonDee wrote:

Hopefully the Board who organised this farce will resign
This seems excessively harsh. The Board certainly don't appear to have a sustainable business model but without the money they have sourced from somewhere there would have been no Championship rugby in Leeds in recent years. I know and respect a good few Yorkies supporters and still rate the South Stand as a great place to watch rugby with great banter but everyone wants someone else to pay for it and even in the playoff season the crowds were underwhelming. I hope Yorkies sort things out as imo rugby needs more rather than less top flight clubs from the North & West rather than everything being concentrated in London.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 09:26
Reality Check not just for the Championship but rugby as a whole we are a minority sport and need to realise this. 
https://www.sportengland.org/research/about-our-research/active-people-survey/

Know this is a couple of years out of date and shows a % increase in participation  but its the year after the last world cup so it should be expected.

We are 12th in the participation league  but at the top end clubs are spending  money as if they were football clubs  and even in the National Leagues money is being spent just to get a promotion. Was told of a Level 5 club that had expenses of nearly 100k last year 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pristine Shorts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 09:38
A lot more than £100k at some level 5 Clubs. A lot more !
 No local talent of the ' correct ' calibre, so expensive overseas players shipped in. Negligible interest from a non-existent fan-base, so they clearly won't be missed.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Remember Izal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Apr 2019 at 09:43
A squad of 25 on £100 per week each  over 30 games comes to £75000. Before other expenses.
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Coaching staff and players let down woefully by off-field management, who only ever saw them as second fiddle to the Rhinos.
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