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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 08:53
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-10 was just a guess - might not be a deduction but if there were I am just saying it would probably be carried over to next season if likely to be of no effect
Shipping players in 2nd half of the season to try and protect t
your league status is nothing new - happens most of the way down the pyramid
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 09:41
YC battling against the the inevitable, surely some clarity needed quickly. Yet again the integrity of the RFU s top league is being called into question!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 10:10
This is one player reported anonymously. I would be surprised and disappointed if we don't turn out. If there really is such a significant and immediate cash-flow issue then the directors need to observe their fiduciary duties and commence some sort of insolvency proceedings.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 10:34
The deduction for an insolveny event is 1/4 of the total points available, so  27 points in the Championship.

If the deduction does not cause relegation, or if the club suffering insolvency would have been relegated anyway, then there is a 16 point deduction the following season. There are also increased reporting requirements and the RFU can enforce a cap on spending.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 11:33
It would be irrelevant. If the club is insolvent, it won't be coming back.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 16:10
By all accounts we have enough dosh to see out the season, at least, so Sunday should be on.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Surely if, and i realise it is a big if, they do not play the match they should be kicked out of the league. The integrity of the Championship is approaching rock bottom. You have Hartpury bringing in 13 different Premiership players at the end of the season to avoid relegation and now you have Yorkshire bringing a load of guys from NZ in on 18 month contracts who win them a number of games so they are not going to be relegated , but then the club reneges on those contracts after the points have been secured. They will be part time next season so put them in a league of part timers ie National One.


You cannot "bring in 13 different Premiership players at the end of the season"

There is a cut-off date, after which no new registrations are allowed - the exception would be front row players if they could demonstrate they were unable to field the full requirement in a matchday squad.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 17:52
Raider for the last two seasons at Championship Level you can bring in up to 10 dual reg EAP players at anytime- no cut off date. You can also have a maximum of 3 loan players in a match day squad who can be loaned from and back a maximum of three times but again there is no cut off date
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 20:04
Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

Raider for the last two seasons at Championship Level you can bring in up to 10 dual reg EAP players at anytime- no cut off date. You can also have a maximum of 3 loan players in a match day squad who can be loaned from and back a maximum of three times but again there is no cut off date


If that is the case it is a recipe for disaster IMO.

Up to the teams in the league to Vote for the rules they want.

Until then, Hartpury are doing nothing that other teams cannot do - so I see no reason to vilify them
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mrs Xmas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 20:19
Draw what conclusions you like about the financial viability of rugby union as a so-called ‘professional’ game. Which ‘club’ will be next?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tulip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 20:30
Directors of a rugby club who offer players an 18
month contract knowing that they cannot pay that contract
are committing fraud IMHO   
But they will get away with it and the players will suffer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 20:46
Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Directors of a rugby club who offer players an 18
month contract knowing that they cannot pay that contract
are committing fraud IMHO   
But they will get away with it and the players will suffer.


And that's the rub, which may or may not become clear in due course. There is a board nominally running the club and on the hook as directors but the moneymen are a different group of blokes. What comfort did the directors seek from the owners and how was it evidenced?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 10:45
YC might pull themselves through this mess,but yet again it is the clubs that operate within their means that suffer. As prior to buying all the new players that they Could not obviously afford they were bottom!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 14:35
So it would seem Leeds got themselves out of relegation trouble by bringing in players they couldn't afford. Hartpury bring in a load of ringers (admittedly within the regulations) and Richmond will probably be relegated. Just doesn't seem right.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 15:04
Sounds familiar.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rob C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 15:09
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

Sounds familiar.

You beat me to it... Hope lightning doesn't strike twice!
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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

So it would seem Leeds got themselves out of relegation trouble by bringing in players they couldn't afford. Hartpury bring in a load of ringers (admittedly within the regulations) and Richmond will probably be relegated. Just doesn't seem right.

Indeed but at the end of the day relegation for Richmond into a league where they will be welcomed, where they will play every Saturday and where they will be away from the dreadful and pointless Championship will probably be to their massive advantage.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 15:49
Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

So it would seem Leeds got themselves out of relegation trouble by bringing in players they couldn't afford. Hartpury bring in a load of ringers (admittedly within the regulations) and Richmond will probably be relegated. Just doesn't seem right.

Indeed but at the end of the day relegation for Richmond into a league where they will be welcomed, where they will play every Saturday and where they will be away from the dreadful and pointless Championship will probably be to their massive advantage.  

Your opinion of The Championship, fair enough. I'd just say that we at The Pirates have had a great few years in The Championship. We've had some epic games, visited some great clubs and had a lot of brilliant days at The Mennaye (and Camborne when we played there) with big crowds and a wonderful atmosphere.
Our last home game against L Irish was such a day, even though we were soundly beaten. The Mennaye was packed, and everyone had a great day.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 16:00
I would say the only point of the Championship is for clubs who actively seek promotion.

Would that be more than 2 or 3 at present, I doubt it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WPL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 16:22
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

I would say the only point of the Championship is for clubs who actively seek promotion.

Would that be more than 2 or 3 at present, I doubt it.

Whilst I don't like it I have to agree with this and I'll say it again...the RFU/PRL either level the playing field or just come out and ring fence it formally, in essence it already is  (shame there is no tin hat emoji!)

I think it's telling how few teams put their name for promotion - mainly due to the amount of money it would take to get their ground up to scratch. Take Bedford for example, always there or thereabouts but with Goldington Road no chance of going up (how much to level that pitch for a start!) either that or move out of the town...which would not work either.
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