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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fenboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 17:50
If I recall correctly Bedford nearly went out of business following their soujourn in the Premiership when their backer pulled out. They're now established as probably the best supported club in the Championship (bar the side relegated from the Prem, usually), and dare I say happy to remain so.

Pirates appear to be following the footsteps of Exeter by slowly developing their ground along with other commercial activites to generate off-field income. I suspect Doncaster could go down this route too, should they wish. Other than the aforementioned clubs I really do not see anybody else in this league who could realistically move upwards. Ealing, for all their spending on the pitch, will need to co-host at another ground. Then, like Carnegie, they will receive little if any income from off-field activities and will always be funded by their owner. Only other dark horses may be Coventry, and this would be totally out of their hands and dependent on what happens down the road at Wasps.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WPL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 18:53
From what I’ve been told - it was frank warren who pulled out when he decided to take Don King on in. A legal battle...

The club was nearly sold and moved to another city....however was bought out by the fans and had in the constitution that no single one person can own more than 50%

I may be wrong and happily be corrected on the above...

It would be interesting to know what Donny would need to do to meet the crazy ground regs needed!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 19:26
Originally posted by WPL WPL wrote:


It would be interesting to know what Donny would need to do to meet the crazy ground regs needed!
I don't want to know and hope Donny don't either. Roth were a great Championship club who chased a crazy dream of Premiership rugby - I hope Donny have more sense than go there. Rugby in the Championship & Nat 1 is fine by me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 20:01
Dont worry CC Donny are not chasing the dream at all costs, the club is going down a path of building the club, the stand, the new main pitch the artificial 3g pitch and hopefully increasing the fan base.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 20:45
Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Dont worry CC Donny are not chasing the dream at all costs, the club is going down a path of building the club, the stand, the new main pitch the artificial 3g pitch and hopefully increasing the fan base.
Brilliant mate keep it that way. Donny have the best playing surface in the league and a ground that any club can be proud of. Championship Rugby needs more N & SW clubs in the mix or its in danger of being a London & Home Counties league. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 12:12
Sorry to bring bad news to the Headingley-haters, but it looks like we will still be around next season!  In a pared-down state, of course.  

Yorkshire Carnegie information following meeting with the Supporters' Board

19/04/2019

Yorkshire Carnegie Board Members David Dockray and Gary Hetherington met with the club’s Supporters’ Board before our Greene King IPA Championship clash with Doncaster Knights at Emerald Headingley on Sunday.

As part of the discussions, it was agreed to make clear statements about the current status of the club so that all fans were aware of the position we now find ourselves in. This is an extremely traumatic time for our players and staff. As all supporters will recognise, there are some matters which remain confidential due to contractual arrangements and we will not discuss individual player or coaching staff decisions at this time.

  • It is the intention of the Board of Directors and the Shareholders that the club will continue in the Greene King IPA Championship for the 2019-20 season but as a part time team and coaching staff in line with a number of clubs already in the division. Currently, a number of teams in the Championship are either part time or have an element of part time players within their squad. Also, like other clubs in the Championship, we will also look to strengthen our very good existing links with Gallagher Premiership clubs to bring in players on either dual registration or loan agreements.
  • Through agreement with Leeds CF&A, the company that owns and operates Emerald Headingley Rugby Stadium, the club will remain as Yorkshire Carnegie next season playing at Emerald Headingley Stadium and training at the Leeds Rugby Academy at Kirkstall.
  • The cost of using both the stadium and training ground as well as the support given by the staff and equipment of Leeds CF&A is included in a service fee which was significantly reduced to £150,000 per season two years ago by agreement with Leeds CF&A to assist Yorkshire Carnegie and will be reduced further to £100,000 next season.
  • The club’s full time members of staff are almost entirely within the rugby department including the Academy and Community departments.  Almost every other member of staff is included in the annual service fee to Leeds CF&A, the owners of Emerald Headingley.
  • One of the roles of the Board of Directors (after discussion with Shareholders) each season is to set and approve the overall budget, and within that, the Rugby budget. That budget is then deployed at the discretion of the rugby department. Up until a year ago, this was overseen by Sir Ian McGeechan. On 23rd March 2018, Chris Stirling was appointed as Director of Rugby and Chris was given control of the rugby department including a reduced rugby budget for the 2018-19 season.
  • The initial Rugby budget for the current season was £1.27 million, a level that is mid-range for the Greene King IPA Championship. Nine new signings were made for the new season as well as 16 new contracts for players retained from the previous season. There were seven Academy players in contract who were part of the Championship squad for 2018-19.
  • Unfortunately, a combination of factors resulted in a poor start to the season and Yorkshire Carnegie being bottom of the Greene King IPA Championship with one win in the opening nine games.
  • The Board of Directors then decided, in a number of steps, to ultimately increase the original budget by an extra £780,000. The final approval, was based on the belief that funding would be available for 2019/20 as well as 2018/19 and enabled Chris Stirling to recruit a further nine players, mainly from New Zealand. In addition, we were able to bring in five players from Gallagher Premiership teams on dual registration or loan. The total Rugby department spending for the 2018-19 season is currently running in the region of £2.3million, although we are seeking to reduce that run rate. On the field, the arrival of the new recruits has seen an upturn in performances and results with Yorkshire Carnegie now sixth in the Greene King IPA Championship and the possibility of finishing as high up as fifth with two games remaining in the season.
  • It is the intention of the Board of Directors that all liabilities for this season will be met in full, and progress is being made in securing the funding needed to do so. For clarity, all players have been paid in full to date and all insurance and medical commitments will be fulfilled until the end of the season.
  • In late 2018, the Board were made aware that an increase in funding which we had reasons to believe would be available for the 2019-20 season could no longer be provided. That led to a number of confidential discussions in the search for a new major shareholder, and Valeo partners were appointed to widen the search for new backers.
  • On 12th February 2019, the club announced that they had engaged the services of Valeo, but unfortunately to date, we have not been able to attract new funding from that activity, but the search continues.
  • On 6th March 2019, Gary Hetherington and David Dockray met with the players and coaching staff to outline the current position and all were told that the rugby budget would be significantly cut for next season, it was hoped that this would eventually be £1.2 million and players were urged not to hold on awaiting new contracts if other opportunities became available to them.
  • On 9th April 2019, Gary Hetherington met with the players and staff again and regrettably informed them that additional funding had not been found and that the intention was to run the side on a part time basis in 2019-20 with a total budget below £1 million.
  • The rugby budget is made up from the club’s income from central funding and commercial activity less expenditure plus expected level of investment made available from the Shareholders and must be agreed before the budget can be set for next season. In the current circumstances it is important that we set a Budget that we are confident can be funded and is within our control as much as possible.
  • There are eight players who are contracted for next season and the club are working with those players about their futures.
  • The shareholder group, who effectively own Yorkshire Carnegie, together with loan providers, have provided outstanding support by funding over £5 million over the past five seasons, the majority of which has come from, or been guaranteed by, a major shareholder. This has produced a rugby budget that we believe will have been in the top 2 or 3 spending in the Greene King IPA Championship each season.
  • The Yorkshire Carnegie Academy is run under licence from the RFU. The RFU guidelines state that a non-Premiership club will have their licence reviewed every three seasons. Three years ago, Yorkshire Carnegie received an outstanding review by the RFU and continue to hold their licence. The Academy has recently been reviewed and we are awaiting the results. The cost of running the Academy as a proportion of our income is significantly greater than any club in the Premiership, and we have less ability to hold on to the talent produced through our Academy system. Despite this, we have sustained, and in some areas, increased our investment in the Academy over a number of years as a Championship club, and we hope that continued commitment will be recognised in the results of the RFU review.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Apr 2019 at 12:24
Thanks for that Albert, makes for interesting reading. And although the news is not great it isn’t downright catastrophic

Edited by castleparknight - 19 Apr 2019 at 12:25
Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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I think it's totally commendable and the way to go for many Championship clubs.  Trying to hold on to full time professionalism just isn't viable at Level 2 in England and the sooner more clubs come to this realisation the better.
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Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

I think it's totally commendable and the way to go for many Championship clubs.  Trying to hold on to full time professionalism just isn't viable at Level 2 in England and the sooner more clubs come to this realisation the better.


It was the RFU who wanted level 2 to be full time, without supporting that view financially.

At least YC are being realistic, it remains to be seen how many Championship sides will be full time next season with the exception of the relegated Premiership side.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by French Connection French Connection wrote:

I think it's totally commendable and the way to go for many Championship clubs.  Trying to hold on to full time professionalism just isn't viable at Level 2 in England and the sooner more clubs come to this realisation the better.


It was the RFU who wanted level 2 to be full time, without supporting that view financially.

At least YC are being realistic, it remains to be seen how many Championship sides will be full time next season with the exception of the relegated Premiership side.
 

You adapt to your circumstances Nottingham have done that for years a young side many with the potential to move on hence the number of players who move upwards each season. A good number of players are linked to the Community Rugby team and will earn money through coaching both local clubs and schools. Utilise the facilities at the Bay as much as possible hence Speaker Events , Beer festivals etc and accept we don't have a lot of money to recruit, in fact I don't think we recruited a full time player in the season until now. Some DR,s and a couple of short term recruits to cover a heavy injury list
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 20:14
Having read the release in detail it would appear that even the £1m budget is not certain for next year . . I think this story has a few more chapters yet!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stadium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 08:08
If YC has already signed contracts with players and coaches they will be legally bound to honour them. How will they get out of paying a large amount of money to cancel the agreements?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 08:23
Which is probably why they still haven't firmed up on next year's arrangements. I would imagine that they have told those players, or at least some of them, that the club will release them if they can find an opportunity elsewhere, whether here or back in NZ.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonDee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 08:28
Originally posted by stadium stadium wrote:

If YC has already signed contracts with players and coaches they will be legally bound to honour them. How will they get out of paying a large amount of money to cancel the agreements?
 

I think the relevant point is 

There are eight players who are contracted for next season and the club are working with those players about their futures.

Something along the lines we cannot afford to pay you for the whole season so we are going to help you find a new club paying the same 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stadium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 09:51
 Dave Ward requested a release from his Harlquin contract one year early so he could join YC.You are talking about a substantial amount of money involved and that is just one contract.Ward would have being paid well over £100,000 as a Premier player.
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Announced on Pirates website that Chris Stirling will return as DOR.
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