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    Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 12:06
Excellent article by Russell Earnshaw on his plan for rugby at youth level, in today's Telegraph, a must read for all concerned in the future of rugby in the younger age groups .
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I'm guessing it's this article, dated yesterday.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Oct 2018 at 23:38
Great article, the quicker parents and coaches realise that participation and enjoyment is paramount the better for the game. Better payers will naturally flow to the top, but we are haemorrhaging players at community level due to disillusionment and need to address it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 17:34
It was certainly an interesting article and one that should start some sort of debate.

I'd be interested from people who'd experienced rugby culture elsewhere ( N Zealand for example) where young players are apparently graded by weight. Having said that a player of my acquaintance with N2/N3 experience living in N Zealand said "junior" rugby there was too hard with lots of big mean Maoris. Interesting that Wasps new NZZ stand off expressed surprise at the size of prem players in England.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Loo fighters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 18:49
Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

It was certainly an interesting article and one that should start some sort of debate.

I'd be interested from people who'd experienced rugby culture elsewhere ( N Zealand for example) where young players are apparently graded by weight. Having said that a player of my acquaintance with N2/N3 experience living in N Zealand said "junior" rugby there was too hard with lots of big mean Maoris. Interesting that Wasps new NZZ stand off expressed surprise at the size of prem players in England.


There was an article some months back stating that the weight grading system is stifling youth rugby in NZ. Boys wanting to play with their friends were giving up because they were heavier/lighter & forced to play elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Excellent article by Russell Earnshaw on his plan for rugby at youth level, in today's Telegraph, a must read for all concerned in the future of rugby in the younger age groups .


Thanks Puli,
This is a really interesting article. Russell makes some good points which should be noted by Clubs with a Mini/Junior section.

Will this encourage you to suggest to the powers that be at your Club that they should think about building some foundations and possibly start a Mini/Junior or Youth section at your Club?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 20:35
Sorry Sid but I don't have a club, so your "your club" comment is wasted on me unfortunately, but that fact doesn't distract from the value of Mr Earnshaw's article and I would hope all clubs, both locally and nationally, listen to and act on what he says.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 23:05
Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:

Sorry Sid but I don't have a club, so your "your club" comment is wasted on me unfortunately, but that fact doesn't distract from the value of Mr Earnshaw's article and I would hope all clubs, both locally and nationally, listen to and act on what he says.


I agree Puli, but you cannot say "all Clubs" as you cannot include those Clubs that already neglect to provide any facilities, guidance and support to their local juniors and youth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 16:57
Perhaps I should have been a little more specific and said “all clubs that run mini and junior sides” and also schools who run rugby union sides.
I said after the teachers action of withdrawing “good will” back in the mid 80’s that the future of rugby and most others sports was now in the hands of the amateur clubs and that the supply of players from schools into clubs, be them rugby cricket etc ,would never be the same as it was pre teachers action. That still holds good today and I am sure that what I said has come true.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 21:26
Totally agree Puli, your thoughts and predictions have been proven to be the case.
Thankfully, some clubs have taken on the challenge of bringing on our youth and providing that 'grassroots' base for juniors to play, learn and move on to senior rugby.

Unfortunately, other Clubs prefer to neglect this obligation and simply throw money at attracting young players away from the Clubs that have provided this support for the local youth to utilise.
Personally, I think Clubs who do nothing to 'serve the local community' and spend nothing on building foundations for the future, should receive nothing in the way of financial support or grants from the RFU.

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In the short time that I've been watching National League rugby, I've witnessed first hand what having a solid youth policy can do for, not just the first XV, but the club as a whole.

There are hundreds of kids of all ages playing on a Sunday, and not only are they a vital source of income they are also the backbone for the future senior sides.

There are some cracking players that have risen through the ranks in recent, most notably Harry Craven, Josh Morris and Harrison Vare - all of which are regulars for the first and second XV. Two others; George Knott and James Preston have moved on to other clubs - Knott to Sale Sharks and Preston to Sandbach.

As a fan, it's great to see the meritocracy the club have for players.
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Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

In the short time that I've been watching National League rugby, I've witnessed first hand what having a solid youth policy can do for, not just the first XV, but the club as a whole.

There are hundreds of kids of all ages playing on a Sunday, and not only are they a vital source of income they are also the backbone for the future senior sides.

There are some cracking players that have risen through the ranks in recent, most notably Harry Craven, Josh Morris and Harrison Vare - all of which are regulars for the first and second XV. Two others; George Knott and James Preston have moved on to other clubs - Knott to Sale Sharks and Preston to Sandbach.

As a fan, it's great to see the meritocracy the club have for players.

Unfortunately Josh Morris wasn't a Junior at Chester, he came to Chester from Denbigh & RGC U18
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Originally posted by Hare today! Hare today! wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

In the short time that I've been watching National League rugby, I've witnessed first hand what having a solid youth policy can do for, not just the first XV, but the club as a whole.

There are hundreds of kids of all ages playing on a Sunday, and not only are they a vital source of income they are also the backbone for the future senior sides.

There are some cracking players that have risen through the ranks in recent, most notably Harry Craven, Josh Morris and Harrison Vare - all of which are regulars for the first and second XV. Two others; George Knott and James Preston have moved on to other clubs - Knott to Sale Sharks and Preston to Sandbach.

As a fan, it's great to see the meritocracy the club have for players.


Unfortunately Josh Morris wasn't a Junior at Chester, he came to Chester from Denbigh & RGC U18


Didn't realise Josh came from elsewhere. Cracking player though.
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Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

Originally posted by Hare today! Hare today! wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

In the short time that I've been watching National League rugby, I've witnessed first hand what having a solid youth policy can do for, not just the first XV, but the club as a whole.

There are hundreds of kids of all ages playing on a Sunday, and not only are they a vital source of income they are also the backbone for the future senior sides.

There are some cracking players that have risen through the ranks in recent, most notably Harry Craven, Josh Morris and Harrison Vare - all of which are regulars for the first and second XV. Two others; George Knott and James Preston have moved on to other clubs - Knott to Sale Sharks and Preston to Sandbach.

As a fan, it's great to see the meritocracy the club have for players.


Unfortunately Josh Morris wasn't a Junior at Chester, he came to Chester from Denbigh & RGC U18


Didn't realise Josh came from elsewhere. Cracking player though.

You could also add, Sean Green, Tom Foden, Kyle Joseph, AJ King, Mike Craven and Harry Wilkinson as all ex M&J from Chester playing 1st XV on Sat, with a similar number in the 2nd XV as well Smile

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Deva Delinquent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 16:16
Originally posted by Hare today! Hare today! wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

Originally posted by Hare today! Hare today! wrote:

Originally posted by Deva Delinquent Deva Delinquent wrote:

In the short time that I've been watching National League rugby, I've witnessed first hand what having a solid youth policy can do for, not just the first XV, but the club as a whole.

There are hundreds of kids of all ages playing on a Sunday, and not only are they a vital source of income they are also the backbone for the future senior sides.

There are some cracking players that have risen through the ranks in recent, most notably Harry Craven, Josh Morris and Harrison Vare - all of which are regulars for the first and second XV. Two others; George Knott and James Preston have moved on to other clubs - Knott to Sale Sharks and Preston to Sandbach.

As a fan, it's great to see the meritocracy the club have for players.


Unfortunately Josh Morris wasn't a Junior at Chester, he came to Chester from Denbigh & RGC U18


Didn't realise Josh came from elsewhere. Cracking player though.


You could also add, Sean Green, Tom Foden, Kyle Joseph, AJ King, Mike Craven and Harry Wilkinson as all ex M&J from Chester playing 1st XV on Sat, with a similar number in the 2nd XV as well Smile



Precisely what I was getting at. It's great to see the lads wanting to stick around, and the coaches getting them to the standard they are now so that places throughout the senior sides are extremely competitive.
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I have to say the new pitch and facilities are first class at Chester, we're on there on tonight . I have to say the catering and bar could be more welcoming considering you will soon have Chester , Caldy, Anselmians and Christleton all training on a Thur .
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The higher level you get the less likely you will find home grown players playing at first team level . Its a shame but the way of competitive world. It might be fun to have a thread for each of the national leagues actually trying to identify how many home bred players per club are playing on a given Saturday.
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

how many home bred players per club are playing on a given Saturday.


I do remember a NL1 match when Cambridge put out 6 M&Y players ... but of late fewer and fewer. Were too close to London and other clubs pay better. I can understand when clubs such as Redruth and Wharfedale who are further away from major towns have home grown talent but then Jersey come along and nick your front row.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deva Delinquent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 18:37
Originally posted by Monty9 Monty9 wrote:


I have to say the new pitch and facilities are first class at Chester, we're on there on tonight . I have to say the catering and bar could be more welcoming considering you will soon have Chester , Caldy, Anselmians and Christleton all training on a Thur .


The Caterers are relatively new, so apart from some chips when we had the Sevens tournament, I've not had any other dealings with them.

Agreed about the bar though!

Am I right in thinking Capenhurst and Ellesmere Port also make use of our facilities too?
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Originally posted by Remember Izal Remember Izal wrote:

The higher level you get the less likely you will find home grown players playing at first team level . Its a shame but the way of competitive world. It might be fun to have a thread for each of the national leagues actually trying to identify how many home bred players per club are playing on a given Saturday.

Of the 18 players involved in Barnstaple's last league game in SW Prem:

14 from Barnstaple or within ten miles and played junior rugby at Barnstaple
1 from Holsworthy (25 miles)
1 from Bude (34 miles)
1 from Wellington (42 miles)
1 from Launceston (42 miles)

Although those may sound like long distances, they're not in rural North Devon.

We have lost 5 first team players since last season when we were in Nat2S.
Of those 5:

2 from Barnstaple and played junior rugby at Barnstaple
2 from Okehampton 30 miles
1 From Portsmouth but in the Navy and posted to a base 3 miles from Barnstaple

So even when in Nat2 we averaged a 75% home grown squad on a Saturday. 


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